Talk:Legitimacy (political)
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This is an extremely value-laden definition of legitimacy, specifically in that it comes from the perspective of Western liberal democracy. Arguably, the concept of legitimacy goes back more than a millenia. The concept of legitimacy itself may be borrowed from aristocratic legitimation; the "divine right" of kings and of bloodlines. EHG
aimed legtimacy through democratic, scientific, nationalistic means. Also one can argue that the central goal of *ANY* state is to foster legitimacy.
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[edit] Dictatorship and totalitarianism
The central goal of a totalitarian apparatus can be described as the fostering of legitimacy. Through extensive media control and smothering of opposition, a totalitarian state attempts to foster support among the majority of the populace by discouraging critical thinking and presenting only a pro-state viewpoint.
However, many dictatorships involve less extreme forms of unilateral rule. These do not require total consent from the entire population, but only need loyalty among the elites and armed forces.
Because of the prevalence of democracy as the main source of legitimacy today, many modern dictators attempt to maintain a facade of democracy by staging show elections.
Roadrunner 21:33, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
[edit] What about Weber?
How can we talk about legitimacy in political science without at least mentioning Weber? I'd do it, if I had the time for it now... Maybe later... Otherwise, great work!
[edit] A bit of POV, I think
"Also, Weber had an extremely negative and pessimistic view of human nature, and believed that societies often went through cycles."
This is rather POV I think. Who's to say his view is "extremely negative" or "pessimistic"? Aren't those terms relative to a POV?
Methinks it needs rephrasing, but I'm not the one to do it. DrDimension 10:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Legitimacy (political)
Does anyone object to moving this page to "Legitimacy (political)"? This concept isn't restricted to political science. – SJL 22:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
[edit] United States and Checks and Balances
"A system of "checks and balances" and control of one organ of the state by another (as in the United States, for example)".
The above unsourced opinion of user chrisieboy smacks of POV. In order to cite only United States to back up a statement which cannot be factually proven one needs expert opinion. It is a well known fact that US President (executive) enjoys overwhelming powers which had traditionally skewed the system of checks and balances. Brothers in Arms (talk) 09:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- I did not insert this statement, but it is quite correct. The US model is widely known as a system of "checks and balances." Please acquaint yourself with the subject matter before making ridiculous assertions like you have above. Chrisieboy (talk) 10:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- If you assert the statement is true then cite sources for the same. Do not simply make blanket 'statements of opinions'. What you insist keeping on is an opinion and not a matter of fact.There are lot of other countries which are also considered constitutionally and in practice having a balanced Executive, Judiciary and legislature. Please stop continued reverts! And don't reinsert unsupported personal opinions on WP. I am ok if you can bring in some sources to cite what you think is a "well known fact". A statement like the one you made is very often a disputed. In any case, since it is an unsupported POV and not a 'fact' please provide sources. And i know what i am talking here.
Brothers in Arms (talk) 06:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Edit war
the user "chrisie boy" continues to revert the changes being made by me and refuses to discuss the matter on the talk page. He assumes bad faith of my edits by calling me 'socket puppet'in violation of WP:civil rules applicable to all users. I invite user chrisie boy to discuss the issue on this talk page instead of engaging in repeated reversions and threatening a probable edit war. Brothers in Arms (talk) 15:23, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
User:Brothers in Arms is a known sock puppeteer and has been warned for incivility by an administrator. However, a reference has now been added. Chrisieboy (talk) 16:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- User chrisie boy is not interested in discussions as is evident from the above messages. By adding a reference you are not contributing anything constructive. He is interested in squabbling with other users. I request him to quit complaining and engage in discussions.
Brothers in Arms (talk) 16:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I am not in the least bit interested in trying to engage with someone, recently blocked from editing, with persistent civility issues. I don't feed the trolls! Chrisieboy (talk) 17:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you user Chrisieboy for the addition of Reference. Please try to cite sources for any future edits you may make on WP. And i also suggest you cultivate the habit of discussing the issues before you revert edits of others.:) Cheer up. Don't loose your cool on WP edits.Brothers in Arms (talk) 05:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Different forms of Political Legitimacy unverifiable
Unlike the rest of the article the above section does not cite any sort of sources except for the source by chrisie boy while citing US as an example. This section needs sources. I request the original authors/editors to provide sources for the statements made in the article. If not cited with sources the section may be tagged appropriately. Brothers in Arms (talk) 06:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
